tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17922979.post114449144943280302..comments2024-03-27T20:29:51.603+00:00Comments on Seeking a Little Truth: CyberKittenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06394155516712665665noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17922979.post-1144864554953480292006-04-12T18:55:00.000+01:002006-04-12T18:55:00.000+01:00uberchap said: Why do you care as an athiest ? You...uberchap said: Why do you care as an athiest ? You're not able to convert me to your way of thinking and I am uninterested in trying to convert you.<BR/><BR/>I'm interested in many things. Just because I'm an atheist doesn't mean that I cannot or should not be interested in religion. Actually it interests me a great deal - especially as I really don't 'get' it. Because of this interest (and lack of understanding) I tend to ask (lots of) questions of anyone who professes a belief. Part of my interest is in what people believe, but my larger interest is in why they believe it.<BR/><BR/>As to any thought of conversion... [grin] I know from experience how difficult it is to change a persons mind - especially with something as fundamental as someones religious beliefs. So I have no desire and very little expectation that anyone who reads this Blog will suddendly realise the 'error of their ways' and transform into an atheist. Nor do I expect that I will suddenly 'find religion'.<BR/><BR/>As to mans imperfections.. We are certainly FAR from perfect (whatever that means) but I believe that our perfectability - both as individuals and as a species - is fully in our hands and ours alone. I don't think waiting for a deity to make things better will hurry the process on in any way. That's one of the bugbears I have with religions in general - it's an abrogation of responsibilty.<BR/><BR/>Finally - uberchap said: Is this a proper discussion or a schoolchild "debating" forum?<BR/><BR/>I would hope that it's a 'proper' adult discussion. Though I'm sure that we can still have fun whilst we discuss things..CyberKittenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394155516712665665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17922979.post-1144840120953025792006-04-12T12:08:00.000+01:002006-04-12T12:08:00.000+01:00uberchap said: I said that I have no problem with ...uberchap said: I said that I have no problem with the result of original sin i.e. imperfect humanity. The fall of man is the description of why we are where we are.<BR/><BR/>So... Is the Garden of Eden allegorical too? What was the original sin? How is it passed on down the generations? More to the point *why* is it passed down from generation to generation? What happens to babies if they die just after birth? Do they go to Hell (dying in sin)?CyberKittenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394155516712665665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17922979.post-1144789679561061082006-04-11T22:07:00.000+01:002006-04-11T22:07:00.000+01:00uberchap said: I believe that the creation story i...uberchap said: I believe that the creation story is allegorical. <BR/><BR/>So... Where does original sin come from? Why did a perfect being (God) creat an imperfect one (you) when he could've done a better job?CyberKittenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394155516712665665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17922979.post-1144738070822463352006-04-11T07:47:00.000+01:002006-04-11T07:47:00.000+01:00uberchap said: The concept of original sin is a ve...uberchap said: The concept of original sin is a very difficult one to understand. In one sense, I don't think we have to "understand" it; we just are where we are. We can't change what happened.<BR/><BR/>The whole Garden of Eden thing is just our particular Creation Myth. I don't think that there is much in there to 'understand'. As to "changing what happened" I'm not 100% sure what you mean - unless you actually believe the whole Adam & Eve business?CyberKittenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394155516712665665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17922979.post-1144707294469216932006-04-10T23:14:00.000+01:002006-04-10T23:14:00.000+01:00uberchap - As I said in my previous comment...foil...uberchap - As I said in my previous comment...<BR/><BR/>foilwoman said: Also, only an unintelligent designer (or a sadistic one) would have made reproduction so risky and painful.<BR/><BR/>So I quipped: Well, we all know the theist 'answer' to that one don't we? "Original Sin"<BR/><BR/>..which is covered by Genesis 3:16.<BR/><BR/>It's not that hard to follow surely? I was being sarcastic if you couldn't tell. As you rightly said I don't believe in God...CyberKittenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394155516712665665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17922979.post-1144696335638562752006-04-10T20:12:00.000+01:002006-04-10T20:12:00.000+01:00uberchap said: Care to elaborate on your understan...uberchap said: Care to elaborate on your understanding of Original Sin ? <BR/><BR/>I was responding to foilwomans comment about childbirth by making a comment regarding Genesis 3:16<BR/><BR/>"To the woman he said, Great will be your pain in childbirth; in sorrow will your children come to birth".<BR/><BR/>This outburst from God being caused by Eve's disobedience to God's will with regard to eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil. Thereby giving rise to the 'original sin'.CyberKittenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394155516712665665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17922979.post-1144679996264133352006-04-10T15:39:00.000+01:002006-04-10T15:39:00.000+01:00Knowledge is a sin?Sex is a sin if not exclusively...Knowledge is a sin?<BR/><BR/>Sex is a sin if not exclusively used for reproduction? If you enjoy it it's bad too?<BR/><BR/>been a long time since I read the old testament but they seem to be dominate themes...RCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03479432224112549587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17922979.post-1144614618600757492006-04-09T21:30:00.000+01:002006-04-09T21:30:00.000+01:00Also the Panda, which is a carnivore trying to sur...Also the Panda, which is a carnivore trying to survive on Bamboo, the Koala - constantly stoned:-) And lets not forget our penchant for choking to death due to the extremely unintelligent combination of food & air intake positioned together, then blocked by a voice box!Juggling Motherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02711012401065605739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17922979.post-1144613090579460122006-04-09T21:04:00.000+01:002006-04-09T21:04:00.000+01:00Very interesting article. I've never really thoug...Very interesting article. I've never really thought about the unintelligent design all around us as an argument against intelligent design. Although I have often said whoever created the design of the womb, monthly cycles and childbirth must have been a sadistic bastard. :-)JRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05302685089721575210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17922979.post-1144577545551647962006-04-09T11:12:00.000+01:002006-04-09T11:12:00.000+01:00dbackdad said: There's many a male who wishes the ...dbackdad said: There's many a male who wishes the unintelligent designer had did a better job with the testicle problem.<BR/><BR/>Indeed there are... [chuckle].<BR/><BR/>rca said: remarked to my other half I can almost understand the argument towards intelligent design unless you stop to analyze the facts.<BR/><BR/>Very true. You can cetainly see why the idea of an Intelligent Designer (just called 'God' for short back then) was the commonly held belief before Darwin - and still is actually! There is a strong illusion of design in many life forms. But it's not until you really start looking that the illusion fades to be replaced by evolution.<BR/><BR/>foilwoman said: only an unintelligent designer (or a sadistic one) would have made reproduction so risky and painful.<BR/><BR/>With regard to human reproduction... Well, we all know the theist 'answer' to that one don't we? "Original Sin" [no sniggering in the back]. Those guys really did try to have an answer to everything didn't they - no matter how silly it turned out to be with even a few minutes analysis....CyberKittenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394155516712665665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17922979.post-1144555296088429882006-04-09T05:01:00.000+01:002006-04-09T05:01:00.000+01:00Also, only an unintelligent designer (or a sadisti...Also, only an unintelligent designer (or a sadistic one) would have made reproduction so risky and painful. Or have made rabbits so damn dumb.Foilwomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01439472253349139358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17922979.post-1144536470718030162006-04-08T23:47:00.000+01:002006-04-08T23:47:00.000+01:00Interestingly I was watching the last of Planet Ea...Interestingly I was watching the last of Planet Earth today (excellent BBC nature show co-made with discovery so recommend it to all USA readers as they'll have the opportunity one way or another)... anyway watching PE and remarked to my other half I can almost understand the argument towards intelligent design unless you stop to analyze the facts...interesting post CK as alwaysRCAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03479432224112549587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17922979.post-1144535683884939332006-04-08T23:34:00.000+01:002006-04-08T23:34:00.000+01:00There's many a male who wishes the unintelligent d...There's many a male who wishes the unintelligent designer had did a better job with the testicle problem. :-0<BR/><BR/>Great article.dbackdadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10700991588554336491noreply@blogger.com