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Thursday, December 15, 2005

A country @ War with Science.

From The Guardian:

Reflect on this. Only one out of four Americans believes life on earth today has evolved through natural selection. Three-quarters of Americans, in other words, still do not accept what Darwin established 150 years ago. Just under half of all Americans believe the natural world was created in its present form by God in six days as described in Genesis. They believe, incredibly, that the earth is only a few thousand years old.

But these people are not content to disagree with Darwin and the scientists. They are up for a fresh fight with them. School boards and education authorities in several parts of America have mounted a series of anti-evolution challenges. These have often come under the guise of putting "intelligent design" - the conceit that the complexity of the natural world can only be explained by the intercession of a supreme being - on a par with evolutionary theory. This claim, advanced on spurious grounds of fairness to different theories, is utterly without any scientific validity, yet a Pennsylvania court will rule on the matter early in the New Year.

Since 9/11 you often hear the argument that the liberal western world must study and learn more about Islam in order to better comprehend the fundamentalist Muslim mind. Maybe so. But you do not often hear people advocating similar inquisitiveness about the fundamentalist Christian mind. Perhaps that too ought to change, especially if we want to understand an America in which religious feeling is growing, not shrinking, and in which the outriders are becoming more audacious intellectually and politically by the day.

We live in a world dominated by the United States. The US claims and asserts military and economic -and moral - primacy in that world. And yet, not least in the estimation of many of its people, the US is not like the rest of the world. In their eyes, it is a special place whose specialness is part, and even proof, of a divine purpose. It is but a small step from there to say that divine claims should take precedence over science, and rhetoric over reason.

Is America a nation in the vanguard of the modern world? Or is it also a nation in revolt against the modern world? One thing is clear: America will not resolve this dilemma until it is more honest and courageous with itself about science and religion than many Americans are today.

I find it rather strange (and not a little frightening) that a country such as the USA, a country built on science and technology, could find itself slipping – apparently inexorably – towards becoming a Theocracy. I worry for the rest of the world when that day dawns.

15 comments:

Juggling Mother said...

It's not strange - it's ****ing terrifying. Many of the most faithful would agree that the rise in fundamentalism (of any religion) is scary.

Think on this, the fate of the world rests on the hope that a man who hears voices doesn't press a little red button.

CyberKitten said...

Mrs A said: Think on this, the fate of the world rests on the hope that a man who hears voices doesn't press a little red button.

To say nothing of the fact that he can do it with a smile on his face because 'God told him to do it'....

Laura said...

I think the core of the problem is poor education. Most people who don't believe in evolution, also don't really UNDERSTAND the theory. That's why you hear arguments such as "well, how did the finches on one island decide to evolve...

But of course, if we don't teach it in schools, this will continue and pretty soon there will be no one to teach it properly... that is the ultimate goal... the planned extinction of Darwinists through a lack of education.

goal10der said...

I agree with what Laura said about education. My personal belief is that evolution should be taught in public schools and leave creationism to private, religious schools and sunday school/church. All of these people who are up-in- arms about this issue should think about that - they have the power to teach their children, in some cases themselves as well, the issues of both sides and then can make informed decisions and arguments. The arguments aspect being the bigger problem right now.

By the way, I enjoy your reading blog very much!

CyberKitten said...

goal10der - Thanks for your comment & welcome. Glad you enjoy reading the things I post. Long may it continue.

CyberKitten said...

Laura said: I think the core of the problem is poor education. Most people who don't believe in evolution, also don't really UNDERSTAND the theory.

I agree. But I think only part of the problem is simple ignorance of the facts. Another (maybe larger) part is wilful ignorance in refusal to accept the facts for what they are where they conflict with their religious beliefs. Simply explaining evolution to those who already firmly believe that the hand of God directs all life on Earth won't be enough. Evolution is seen as a direct challenge to the existence of God - a belief that most will not give up easily. Whether or not evolution ACTUALLY does challenge Gods existence is a whole other issue. That's what I was aiming @ in my previous post on the God Debate. We can only progress on the evolution issue once we have settled (or at least put to one side) the God question.

CyberKitten said...

goal10der said: All of these people who are up-in- arms about this issue should think about that - they have the power to teach their children... etc..

That's a very good point. Why should the State teach creationism on it's own dollar (basically our tax money) when those parents that believe such things are probably already teaching their own children about it. Actually that's a CRACKING point. It means that, basically, those parents want the State to fund their propaganda mission to those who don't already believe in evolution.

BTW - Had a quick visit to your Blog. Enjoyed the music (I'll have to check the guy out) and noticed that you had Bloggrolled me. Have returned the favour. Thanks.

OldLady Of The Hills said...

WE ARE, no doubt nuts, in this country! I live here and love my country, but I truly fear for it these days...these YEARS, really...I do not understand almost anything about so much of the thinking now....It feels like we have gone waaaaay backwards to the extremly conservative and boring 50's!!! I sit and say to myself, who are these people that are running our country now? They sure don't speak for me or anyone else I know, either...Soooo bloody depressing.

Juggling Mother said...

Wasn't Darwin himself a confirmed Christian? I'm sure I rememebr reading that somewhere.

There is no reason evolution can not co-exist with the concept of God creating the earth. Most religious people here in the UK accept that. There is something more fundemental happening in the US that I can not understand.

CyberKitten said...

Mrs A asked: Wasn't Darwin himself a confirmed Christian? I'm sure I rememebr reading that somewhere.

I think he started out as one (as most people did at that time) but gradually lost his faith. The death of his beloved daughter made him an atheist IIRC.

Evolution can indeed co-exist with Deism - the idea that God created the Universe & even Life on Earth and then just let it run... Evolution only really conflicts with the idea of God meddling on a regular basis (oh, and the idea of a Young Earth & static forms).

Jack Steiner said...

I don't believe that the US going to become a theocracy, too many checks and balances in the system for that.

Don't get caught up in all of the hype.

JR said...

Jack's shack said: "too many checks and balances in the system for that."

Have you looked lately at how many of the checks and balances have been eroded or watered down?

Back to the main topic, having lived in the U.S. "Bible Belt" for more than 15 years, I can tell you firsthand how terrifying it is to live in a theocracy at the local level. One of the first questions you're asked when you move to the area is "what church do you attend." If you don't attend church they NEVER give up trying to get you to join one. The "beliefs" run through every aspect of society, from prayers in schools in defiance of law, being condemned if you don't have the same last name as your husband, to being ignored in social situations in which only the men do the talking and if you speak up, you get cold looks and then the conversation resumes between the men only. Thank the gods that I found a few Pagans hiding in them thar hills!

CyberKitten said...

JS said: I don't believe that the US going to become a theocracy, too many checks and balances in the system for that.

Oh, I don't think it's going to happen over night... but there are definite straws in the wind.

greatwhitebear said...

America is CLEARLY in revolt against the modern world. it depresses me to live here a great deal of the time.

CyberKitten said...

GWB.. There's always Canada.....

..and I've just GOT to get myself more upbeat topics... I'm making people too depressed....