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Saturday, February 20, 2010

Atheism and Nihilism

By Austin Cline for About.Com

Atheism has long been closely associated with nihilism, both for good and for bad reasons, but usually for bad reasons in the writings of critics of both. It is alleged that atheism necessarily leads to nihilism because atheism necessarily results in materialism, scientism, ethical relativism, and a sense of despair that must lead to feelings of suicide. All of these tend to be basic characteristics of nihilistic philosophies.

In some ways the connection between nihilism is valid but in other ways it is not — disentangling the two requires first a better grasp of what atheism is all about and how premises of critics tend to cause them to misrepresent it. Fundamentally, atheism is simply the absence of belief in the existence of any gods — it does not require that one adopt materialism, scientism, ethical relativism, or a sense of despair over the apparent meaninglessness of life. Those who invest much in traditional religious beliefs do not, however, quite see things that way. For them, their religion and theism are what provide them with morality, with meaning in life, and with a sense of connection to eternal, spiritual values. Without their religion and without God, they find it inconceivable that a person could hold on to any of those things. And, in all fairness, some atheists do abandon those positions. Most atheists (in the West, at least) tend to be materialists of one sort or another, not believing in any non-material or supernatural realm. Atheists are also generally ethical relativists, adopting one form or another of ethical nihilism. And, finally, there are plenty of atheistic existentialists who believe that human life is objectively meaningless.

Few, atheists, however, actually go so far as to commit suicide or engage in wanton criminality as the conservative religious critics insist must logically conclude from these positions. This should be a strong signal that what the critics contend are "logical connections" are in fact nothing of the sort. When we look closely we can also find that some of these positions have been adopted by devout religious believers. Existentialism was originally developed by Christian thinkers, for example. So atheism doesn't necessarily lead to nihilism while nihilism isn't necessarily a product of atheism. Is there, then, any connection at all? It is certainly arguable that atheism makes nihilism easier — for example, Nietzsche made the case that widespread atheism overthrew the only interpretation (theistic) of the world that was really popular. As a consequence, people got the impression that there wasn't really any meaning out there at all and so lost hope. At the same time, however, even this connection has in many ways disappeared. Today the negative image of nihilists is associated less with nonconforming atheists and more with overly conforming, robotic workers of the post-industrial age. It is argued that the heavy regimentation of the corporate world robs a person's life of all colour, vitality, freedom, reducing a person's humanity to the point where they feel personally alienated from all that they do. In the end, after everything is packaged and sanitized and processed, there is nothing of real value left for them.

10 comments:

Laughing Boy said...

Good post, CK.

If few atheists actually commit suicide or engage in wanton criminality, that doesn't disprove, or even discredit, the "logical connection" between atheism and nihilism. Few people, atheist or theist, live in strict logical coherence with their views.

dbackdad said...

Interesting article but I'm not quite sure what the author is trying to say. He doesn't really make a compelling case that atheism leads to nihilism or that it doesn't. He just seems to recap what others have said.

I've never really heard a good argument that atheism leads to nihilism. Far from being anarchists, most atheists tend toward humanism. At least on a personal scale, not believing in God gives me more of a connection to the concerns of others and a sense of hope ... instead of the opposite.

CyberKitten said...

LB said: Few people, atheist or theist, live in strict logical coherence with their views.

I think that only machines would live in 'strict logical coherence' to anything. Human beings aren't like that. We're messy creatures chocked full of contradictions, don't you agree?

I never understood the comment that as an atheist - and seeing no 'ultimate meaning' in life that I should naturally commit suicide. Why would i want to? There's *so* much I haven't done, experienced and what-not. Why would i want to cut short the only life I have?

dbackdad said: Interesting article but I'm not quite sure what the author is trying to say.

I wasn't exactly sure either. I just threw it out there to see what the response would be...

dbackdad said: I've never really heard a good argument that atheism leads to nihilism.

I've heard plenty of arguments that it should - none of them good though! I guess that from a theistic viewpoint where everything is invested in God... take that away and you're left with a huge dark pit of despair - at least according to that viewpoint.

dbackdad said said: not believing in God gives me more of a connection to the concerns of others and a sense of hope...

Hope of what? For what? I hope that it doesn't rain tomorrow and that my bus to work is on time. I don't really do the bigger 'hope' things.

dbackdad said...

Hope might not be the right word. I think it might have too much of a mystical connotation to it. I think I'm trying to say that just because I don't believe in God doesn't mean I have an overwhelming sense of despair. If there are problems or disasters in the world, I don't believe it is because they were pre-ordained or fate.

Laughing Boy said...

Fundamentally, atheism is simply the absence of belief in the existence of any gods — it does not require that one adopt materialism, scientism, ethical relativism, or a sense of despair over the apparent meaninglessness of life.

Is he saying that atheism has no logical consequences, that one can be an atheist in a philosophical vacuum? For example, if there is no transcendent creative being, what other option is there but materialism?

Further on in that paragraph he blames believers for linking to nihilism to atheism, then he goes on to concede that "plenty" of atheists (Sartre comes to mind) who hold that human life is objectively meaningless.

Existentialism was originally developed by Christian thinkers, for example. So atheism doesn't necessarily lead to nihilism while nihilism isn't necessarily a product of atheism.

They were not the most orthodox of Christian thinkers, but given that his statement is true, does it follow that "atheism doesn't necessarily lead to nihilism while nihilism isn't necessarily a product of atheism." These 2 sentences are a non sequitur.

CK: "Why would i want to cut short the only life I have?"

As long as you are in good health and having fun generally that might be a workable view. If life is enjoyable it's meaninglessness might be a little consequence.

I make an analogy to playing a game, like SimCity or Civilization, that involves a lot of time and thought. Playing can be very enjoyable, but at some point, if you are a responsible person, you realize that while playing, despite the enjoyment, and even the degree of intellectual fulfillment it gives, you have done nothing of any real value. If you come to that conclusion regarding playing a game you simply stop playing the game and get on with real life. But if real life is no more meaningful than a game then where do you turn? If "gamelife" is giving you pleasure then you can temporarily ignore the meaninglessness. But the pleasure won't last forever. At that point I think atheism has no answers. Whether or not that leads to suicide is not the critical issue. A person may be too squeamish or too lazy to kill themselves even if they can think of no good reason not to. The issue is, does atheism per se, give you a reason not to.

CyberKitten said...

dbackdad said: Hope might not be the right word. I think it might have too much of a mystical connotation to it.

Yes, it does seem to have been co-opted by various groups....

dbackdad said: I think I'm trying to say that just because I don't believe in God doesn't mean I have an overwhelming sense of despair.

Agreed.

dbackdad said: If there are problems or disasters in the world, I don't believe it is because they were pre-ordained or fate.

Totally agree. As far as things go it is we who are (largely) responsible for how our lives go.

LB said: Is he saying that atheism has no logical consequences, that one can be an atheist in a philosophical vacuum?

I don't think so - but an atheist can be many things as well as being an atheist.

LB said: For example, if there is no transcendent creative being, what other option is there but materialism?

Dunno. But I'm certainly a materialist.

LB said: Further on in that paragraph he blames believers for linking to nihilism to atheism, then he goes on to concede that "plenty" of atheists (Sartre comes to mind) who hold that human life is objectively meaningless.

Nihilists & 'plenty of atheists' might agree that life is objectively meaningless (as do I) but that doesn't make them (or me) nihilists. Surely there's more to nihilism that that simple idea?

LB said: As long as you are in good health and having fun generally that might be a workable view. If life is enjoyable it's meaninglessness might be a little consequence.

Even if life isn't 'fun' - and to be honest most time it isn't exactly great - that doesn't mean I would automatically think of sticking a metaphorical gun in my mouth, because no matter how bad things get - they can always get better. Death eliminates *all* possibilities. I really don't see that as a viable option unless in *very* adverse circumstances.

LB said: But the pleasure won't last forever. At that point I think atheism has no answers.

That probably presupposes that the 'meaning of life' for an atheist is pleasure. Without pleasure what's the point? But I think anyone who gives it a moments thought would see that pleasure is by its very nature ephemeral. It's nice to have from time to time but I'm not exactly going to waste lots of time and energy chasing it. I'll leave that to the hedonists.

Oh, and answers to what? Atheism is 'merely' a skeptical position on the God question. A philosophy of life might follow on from that - but atheism is not such a philosophy.

LB said: A person may be too squeamish or too lazy to kill themselves even if they can think of no good reason not to. The issue is, does atheism per se, give you a reason not to.

No, it doesn't - but why should it? It is not my atheism that's stopping me killing myself... it's my attachment to the world. I'll die eventually anyway - so why hurry the process?

wstachour said...

A thought-provoking article, though I find myself bristling at the very premise being debated.

Nihilism is its own matter, and its linkage to godlessness seems a tired political trick (like linking atheism to Mao and Stalin and Hitler). A simple survey of atheists would fail to find any more nihilism than in the general population, I think--unless one strategically defines nihilism as the rejection of any parts of my religion.

'Scientism' seems a loaded term, a recent linguistic invention that hopes for pejorative effect; but it just doesn't work for me (any more than using 'liberal' as an epithet). I very happily throw my lot in with science. Likewise 'materialism:' I'm very happy to identify and defend myself as a materialist.

And the premise that these things lead to, what?, suicide?; well, that's easy enough to check. What do the statistics say? No correlation? Then let's put the very premise in the trash bin for good.

Lastly, I just have no patience for the criticism that a godless worldview deprives life of purpose. The very idea of purpose is an invention of our human-centric viewpoint, a seed carefully planted and eagerly nourished by religion. Maybe it's helpful for some folks to believe they have a purpose, but the belief is no evidence. Our 'purpose' here, if we must have one, is exactly what we make it.

CyberKitten said...

wunelle said: I very happily throw my lot in with science. Likewise 'materialism:' I'm very happy to identify and defend myself as a materialist.

Most definitely with you on that.

wunelle said: And the premise that these things lead to, what?, suicide?; well, that's easy enough to check. What do the statistics say? No correlation? Then let's put the very premise in the trash bin for good.

We studied suicide in Sociology class. One of the interesting things was that Catholics in particular where adamant that the word didn't appear on a relatives death certificate significantly affecting the statistics.

wunelle said: The very idea of purpose is an invention of our human-centric viewpoint, a seed carefully planted and eagerly nourished by religion.

The idea of purpose tends to keep people warm at night and motivates them to get up in the morning. I can certainly see its attraction. Of course any purpose we have we have basically invented for that very purpose.

wstachour said...

"The idea of purpose tends to keep people warm at night and motivates them to get up in the morning."

Agreed. But I think it's intriguing that the things that really occupy our lives--love of family and friends, a sense of community, a desire to carry one's water and not be a burden to others--these things are distinctly pro-social and there is every reason to believe that they are evolved priorities and behaviors "designed" to put genes in the next generation. I get up in the morning because there's stuff I want to do and because I love my wife and want to spend the day with her, etc. There's no mystery to it; life is good!

(Thanks for a good post and discussion.)

Clergy Guy said...

CK, Just discovered your blog and it's quite entertaining. Interesting discussion. I have not found atheists to be more amoral and suicidal than others. However, as a clergyguy, I've had a firsthand look at christians and I've done more than my share of funersls that stemmed from suicide.