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Monday, January 29, 2024


Just Finished Reading: America in Retreat – The New Isolationism and the Coming Global Disorder by Bret Stephens (FP: 2014) [231pp] 

When this arrived on my doormat, via Amazon, I read the blub on the back and almost decided NOT to read it. With everything going on right now, I thought a book on US isolationism (which, as far as I know has been a strong  and persistent theme in American politics from the earliest days) would be just the thing to illuminate things. The blub though made it quite clear that this book was going to be, above all else, a partisan critique of President Obama’s foreign policy to date. But, as the book was already bought and paid for and I had a companion volume already lined up, I bit the bullet and started reading. I’m actually glad I did, because this wasn’t half as bad as I thought it would be. 

It was, as you might imagine, about the idea of the US being or at least being portrayed as the world’s policeman. What really surprised me, especially coming from a right-wing commentator was that the author was in favour of America taking that role – up to a point. What he clearly wasn’t in favour of (and neither am I) was the twin ideas of regime change and nation building. The problem he sees is that American idealism leads to the belief (and subsequent actions) to ‘fix’ other countries problems and then hold themselves responsible to put them on the ‘right track’ to Freedom and Democracy. All laudable aims, but somewhat difficult to achieve in a reasonable timescale or at reasonable cost – both in blood and treasure. I think someone in the Bush administration, in reference to Iraq, said something along the line of ‘if you break something you own and need to fix it’. Of course, getting into a quagmire is much easier than getting out of one – as we’ve seen on our TV screens far too often. So, is retreat and new isolationism the answer? No, says the author. We know where isolationism and a refusal to interact with the real world ends up. What is needed is smart intervention, targeted, pragmatic, reasonable. Less of taking the moral ‘high ground’ and more supporting the global ‘rules-based order’ that has provided peace (by and large) and security (ditto) since the end of WW2. More cruise-missile, less boots on the ground, in fact more than analogous to the ‘broken windows’ policy practiced in US cities and exported elsewhere to combat low-level crime BEFORE things get out of control. 

Despite the obvious partisan slant and the personal animosity towards Obama throughout this book (which I mostly managed to ‘edit’ out whilst reading) I did find a fair bit of this book either at least interesting or illuminating. It’s useful, from time to time, to hear the arguments from ‘the other side’ to see how they fly or die on examination. I actually surprised myself more than once nodding in agreement with some of the authors arguments regarding both the failures of US Foreign Policy and what could be done better. Interestingly, some 10 years after initial publication, we are indeed seeing chaos and collapse increasing across the world as the US has steadily withdrawn – sometimes with spectacular bad ‘optics’ as in Afghanistan – from at least some of its involvement in geopolitics. Power abhors a vacuum and when the US refuses to act, and others are unwilling or unable to take its place, then still other actors will be more than happy to enter the breach for their own ends. The ‘trick’ is the ability to walk the line between being a cop on the beat and being an invading soldier. Interesting and worth reading. More to come... 

4 comments:

Stephen said...

You might be interested in Bill Kauffman's "Ain't My America" on anti-war conservatism -- and The American Conservative, a magazine I began reading when I still considered myself a progressive, was founded explicitly as an anti-war magazine. It's worth considering, though, that 'isolationist' itself is a partisan, loaded term: non-interventionist is more neutral and is used by libertarians and te anti-war right. Isolationism itself is a nonsense charge: countries can engage with one another, even manipulate/goad/convince other parties to change their policies, without the intervention of sanctions and invasion. There's another author out there...Zeitens or somehing, who has written a book on what declining American naval presence might do to undermine globalization. At any rate, I don't think arguments will matter for much longer. DC is in active collapse and we're just waiting for Odoacer.

CyberKitten said...

My next non-fiction mentions the increasing 'lack' of a US naval presence - due in the main to building a small number of expensive but VERY capable ships instead of a larger number of cheaper but capable enough ships. Something like the T-34 argument of producing *LOTS* of OK tanks!

I don't think that 'DC' will "collapse" any time soon - even if Trump gets re-elected in November. *Chaos* sure.... at least for a while, but eventually (unknown time period) actual *rational* people will take charge for their own sakes if not for the country.

Are you expecting the Republic to 'fall' and be replaced by the Empire, as I've heard muted on the Web? I do laugh (quite a lot) when I hear commentators compare the US to Rome.... [grin].

Not sure where the US is going ATM. Decline.... Relative decline.... New Golden Age..... Civil War..... I think whatever happens its going to be 'interesting'. But it is going to be VERY interesting for *some* more than others - and probably not in a good way! I guess we'll see....

Stephen said...

The Republic was already replaced by the Empire decades ago. Remember that Augustus, Tiberius etc maintained the fiction of the republic for decades after its fall, and even Odacer paid some lip services to Republic trappings. Keep in mind, when Americans use "Empire", we're not not using it in the "controls outside dominions" use as with Rome, Persia, Britain, etc. It's more in line with the use in Star Wars: the republic was one of democracy and freedom, the empire one of authority and control. One was based in the idea, however limited, of public participation and self-rule: the other was merely rule by an elite, participation limited to those who could get into the elite somehow. Some of the highlights of the imperial transition: the first and greatest wound was the Civil War, which destroyed the little-c constitution of the United States, reducing them in fact if not in law to mere provinces of DC; the loss of the Senate as a voice for the States, when there was an amendment passed to make them elected by the populace (like Representatives), meaning they no longer represented the States' interests and autonomy, but were merely just a smaller House of Represenatives. This has led to absurdities like Hillary becoming senator for a state she had virtually no connection to. Another blow: the amendment that imposed an income tax, which allowed citizens to be taxed by DC directly. This removed the states even MORE from the equation, because whereas before they were taxing and then sending money to DC, giving them some measure of control, DC was taking money and then doling it out. Those are the three major blows that destroyed the foundation of the old Republic and empowered DC beyond limit. Then, of course, you have the growth of the executive, and I don't even mean the powers the office itself as accrued directly: I mean allllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the agencies under its aegis who violate the balance beween executive, legislative, and judicial offices, who operate under no electoral oversight, who continue making legislation by policy regardless of who is in office. This is what people who refer to the 'deep state' or 'the swamp'. are referring to, in part. This is the Party in 1984: it distracts people with love of Big Brother and hate of Emmanuel Goldstein, but it and it is the power and the problem. I don't think it is possible to rein this in unless you get someone with financial independence, hatred for the deep state, focus, and creativity. Trump had the former two but not the latter, and he had the huge liability of being an easily-distracted egoist.

As far as the collapse of the DC -- yeah, I fully expect it to happen from debt alone. Americans across the board are pessimistic and distrustful of the government. Texas is being economically attacked by DC for calling DC on its failure to protect the southern border. We're in 'things fall apart; turning and turning in the widening gyre" territory.

CyberKitten said...

I'd be the first to admit that my 'knowledge' of US political history is scant, but I've never really understood the idea of 'states rights'. I suppose it is (kind of) understandable taking into account the Founding, and pre-Revolution conditions. After all the initial colonies had their own individual founding's, history & political philosophies. So its no great surprise that, instead of being together an embryo nation the original states were more like semi-fractious siblings. As the 'nation' grew, eventually across an entire continent - and at some speed - its hardly surprising that "nationhood" never really coalesced to the extent you might see elsewhere.

I wonder if, long term, it might be better for everyone for the US to break up into more manageable 'chunks' that can actually live with themselves instead of trying to heard 50 cats in (very) roughly the same direction. Whether or not that can be arrived at through agreement, I'm not sure. I'm sure that some states would clearly be up for it but others would have to make very difficult decisions especially if they *had* to choose sides. But you guys have been there before, and we know how well that went last time! I guess we'll see over the next 50-100 years.