Just Finished Reading: The King and the Catholics – The Fight for Rights 1829 by Antonia Fraser (FP: 2018) [281pp]
I remember, after reading the authors previous book on the Gunpowder Plot, how shocked I was at the treatment of Catholics in England after that event. Some of it I knew in passing – for example the fact that (until VERY recently) a British monarch could not marry a Catholic – but most of it came as somewhere between a surprise and a shock. The author goes into a LOT more detail in this often-fascinating book.
Starting with the infamous Gordon Riots of 1780 (immortalised in Barnaby Rudge by Dickens) brought on by the Catholic Relief Act which incidentally caused property damage in London not surpassed till the Blitz in the 1940’s, the author follows the arguments for and the protests against the idea that Catholics in England should be treated as normal citizens rather than being automatically suspected of being (at the very least potential) traitors to the State. It was long believed (at least by some) that English Catholics had divided loyalties and when there was a conflict between State and Pope that the Pope would always prevail. No protestations of loyalty or even acts proving such counted for much – religion trumped all other interests. In the first quarter of the 19th century a Catholic could not sit in the House of Lords (despite being a Lord), could not be elected as a Member of Parliament, could not be an officer commanding men in battle [I’m not sure how low in rank this went and certainly rank and file Catholics were accepted as long as they were under English Protestant command], Catholic priests could not openly celebrate Mass nor (legally) perform marriages [Side Note: It was long the process that a Catholic marriage had to be registered officially – for a time TWO marriage services had to be performed, one Catholic and one Church of England. As far as I know my parents had to be registered separately as married AFTER they were actually married in a Catholic ceremony. I understand that in these more enlightened times a registrar attends the Catholic ceremony so that the legality of the marriage is assured without the need of anything further], nor were Catholic schools allowed and SO much more. Catholics, even high-ranking ones, were almost second-class citizens and, as far as I know, there was talk/proposals to make Catholics wear distinctive clothing or something obvious to recognise them in public (all the better to discriminate against them – naturally). Oh, and I almost forgot, religious symbols like the Cross could not be displayed or even imported into the country.
Things were somewhat different in Ireland (not yet independent or partitioned) and there was a LONG running perception of the ‘Irish Problem’ which had strong links naturally to the ‘Catholic Problem’. It was at least technically possible to elect a Catholic MP in Ireland although it was considered highly unlikely with Protestant landowners essentially running things. But it was such an MP, in the guise of Daniel O’Connell, who finally forced the dam to break resulting in the Act of 1829. Of course, he didn’t do this himself despite being a consummate political operator. The tide was, slowly, moving in the direction of Catholic emancipation (which was believed would lead to ever growing emancipation in other areas – which it did) for a whole host of reasons – many of which hadn’t crossed my mind until the author pointed them out. It’s possible that forces within England and the rest of Europe, indeed in what could later be called the ‘West’ meant that all citizens of all religious affiliations would eventually have been treated equally but things would have moved much slower if a number of very had working and persuasive people had not made herculean efforts to make it so.
Told with exhaustive (but not exhausting) detail this was an absorbing insight into early 19th century British politics which was in the process of modernising itself to more closely reflect the modern age into which it was moving. I really had no idea just how difficult it was being a Catholic before 1829 and it was really enlightening to discover this aspect of my nominal faith. Definitely recommended for anyone interested in British and Irish history or in the confluence of religion and politics.
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I was very close to checking this out for RoE! I've read Frasier before...I think she did a book on Guy Fawkes and Elizabeth's spy apparatus.
Review of Gunpowder Plot is here:
https://cyberkittenspot.blogspot.com/2008/11/just-finished-reading-gunpowder-plot.html
It's rather good.
Faith and Treason! Yep, read it as well (probably per your reccommendation XD) in 2015.
More future RoE ideas coming up... [grin]
This sounds like a great book and thanks for the link, Kitten. As you probably know, I am Catholic but married a Protestant which isn't a problem nowadays but was almost impossible before the Second Vatican Council (1962-65). Even in our village, it wasn't accepted before the eighties and many had trouble should they decide to marry "outside their religion".
As I am also very interested in British history (especially the Tudors) and have lived in England for six years, I have learned a lot about the treatment of Catholics both in the UK and Ireland. A lot of the problems were disguised as "religious" problems but even today, it is mainly England vs. Ireland rather than Catholics against Protestants, don't you agree?
I have put the book on my wishlist though when I will get to it ... that's in the starts.
Thanks for your review. That's definitely better than not reading about it at all.
@ Marianne: Both of my parents were Catholics (although non-practicing) so they had no issues getting married in the early 1950's - although I understand that they had to register separately to make it legal as (as you know) the Church of England is the state, Protestant, religion. Interestingly, my parents decided to send all of their children to CofE schools rather than Catholic ones, which no doubt had a significant impact on all of our lives.
England has LONG had a 'problem' with Ireland and the "Irish Question" has been a fact of British politics for centuries. I'm not sure how much of that problem is nationalistic and how much religious. Inevitably its a mixture of both but religion is/was, I think, an important factor - if all too often used as an excuse.
In Germany, you still have to have a wedding at the registrar office before you can get married in church, any church. They don't have the power of the CofE.
When we lived in England, we had a few Catholic friends. Some of them sent their children to the local CofE because it had a good reputation. There was a Catholic school, as well, but that was at the other side of town, so many didn't choose that one.
Most religious wars are about power, no matter where and how. And led by some insane people.
Much more British/UK history to come including the Tudors who I do find fascinating (for lots of reasons!). I'm also trying to dig up more related to my ancestry investigations so that I can make more sense of it - apparently I have a significant Scottish connection which confuses me! - so MUCH more reading to be done.
I'm looking forward to that. I'm also a huge Tudor fan, and yes, there are lots of reasons, they are just so fascinating.
So, will you have to change your accent? I don't know what part of England you're from but - as most people - I absolutely love the Northern and Scottish and Irish accents.
LOL - No accent change required. I was born and grew up in Liverpool although I never really had too much of an accent unless I become emotional. I've lived in the South of England since I started work and lived just outside London for 6 years before moving here. I've lived here now for almost 30 years so what little accent I did have has probably been worn away by now.
I have several stacks of Tudor related non-fiction and quite a few novels too. I've been meaning to dig into them for a while now but it never seems to happen. Hopefully I'll manage to slip in a few of each before the end of the year.
If ever I get a hold of a Tudor related book (novel or non-fiction), that goes high on my TBR pile.
As to accents, I find Liverpudlian the worst accent to understand, especially if the speaker doesn't make any effort to speak clearly. We also lived in the South of England when we were there, Buckinghamshire. It was lovely.
Some years ago a friend & I hitched from Lancashire to South Wales where he lived. We were picked up by a truck driver who we could barely understand. For a while we were convinced he was from somewhere in Eastern Europe. When we asked him he explained that he was from Glasgow and was speaking English the whole time.....
Hahaha, I'm glad I'm not the only one having problems. My very first British colleague back in the eighties was from Glasgow. LOL
I mean, I understand when ordinary people who don't get around much speak in their native dialect, but I've had it on television a couple of times that I hardly understood a word someone uttered. I think they should be a little more careful there.
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