If the Bible were written by men and fabricated by men--does that mean Jesus did or didn't exist?
The narrator says that all the time and money spent on the religious movement could better be spent on "improving the human condition". How do you explain that the religious movement is more responsible for aiding suffering in the world? I usually hear of Christians in the mission field ministering to the sick and suffering--not the atheist movement.
Where does man's responsibility come into play for the world's troubles? The narrator says that God doesn't exist because if he did, he would be a malicious God for allowing "bad" men to rape "good" women. But isn't it true that bad men are just that--bad men? I've asked you this before in a previous post and you ignored or dodged the questions.
The narrator lists all these negative traits that God has--two of which being jealousy and anger. I believe that those traits are not human in nature at all--as God is a Holy God and those are attributes unlike our own, selfish jealousy or anger issues.
God isn't surprised by what humans do. That would mean that our relationship is man-centered instead of God-centered and our faith is built around God, not the opposite.
Sadie asked: If the Bible were written by men and fabricated by men--does that mean Jesus did or didn't exist?
Not sure. I'm not convinced either way ATM.
Sadie asked: How do you explain that the religious movement is more responsible for aiding suffering in the world?
Religious organisations do indeed perform lots of charity work throughout the world. They also cause problems be preaching against condom use in high areas of AIDS in Africa which makes things worse. Also a lot of aid to countries comes through non-religious organisations too.
Sadie asked: Where does man's responsibility come into play for the world's troubles?
Lots of mans troubles are caused by other people. We are totally responsible for our own actions. We do terrible things to each other and probably have since before the beginning of history. Mans inhumanity to man is caused by man.
Sadie asked: But isn't it true that bad men are just that--bad men?
Yes, they are. But the point the narrator was trying to make is "Why does God *allow* bad things to happen to good people" - in the context of Him being all knowing, all powerful and all loving. Either He does not know these things are happening, He is powerless to stop them or He just doesn't care enough.
Sadie said: I've asked you this before in a previous post and you ignored or dodged the questions.
Sorry about that. I was concentrating my efforts on uberchap. I'll try not to ignore you in future.
Sadie said: I believe that those traits are not human in nature at all--as God is a Holy God and those are attributes unlike our own, selfish jealousy or anger issues.
So God's anger and jealousy are not the same as our anger & jealousy? How so? As far as I can remember He certainly acts angry and jealous in the Bible in a very understandable 'human' way...
Sadie said: God isn't surprised by what humans do.
Again, He certainly seems to portray surprise in the Bible stories. Usually when one of the characters have gone against His will.
sadie Lou said "I usually hear of Christians in the mission field ministering to the sick and suffering--not the atheist movement."
really? What dio you think Medicine sans Frontiers and The International Red Cross are then? Both massive international organisations, "ministering to the sick and suffering" without a single religious reference in thier reason d'etre! There are, of course, plenty of other examples, but I believe these are to of the largest humanitarian organisations on the planet. certainly larger than any individual religious mission!
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I still think my favorite God stump comes from George Carlin's Class Clown. When he's talking about growing up Irish Catholic...
"Hey Father, if God is all powerful can he make a rock so big that he himself can't lift it?"
I've heard that one before - always a good one.
I've seen a few Carlin stand-up routines. He's *very* funny.
Very good post, I've linked it, hope you don't mind.
Not a problem paste old boy.... There are several more parts in the pipeline....
Couple questions about the video:
If the Bible were written by men and fabricated by men--does that mean Jesus did or didn't exist?
The narrator says that all the time and money spent on the religious movement could better be spent on "improving the human condition".
How do you explain that the religious movement is more responsible for aiding suffering in the world? I usually hear of Christians in the mission field ministering to the sick and suffering--not the atheist movement.
Where does man's responsibility come into play for the world's troubles?
The narrator says that God doesn't exist because if he did, he would be a malicious God for allowing "bad" men to rape "good" women. But isn't it true that bad men are just that--bad men?
I've asked you this before in a previous post and you ignored or dodged the questions.
The narrator lists all these negative traits that God has--two of which being jealousy and anger. I believe that those traits are not human in nature at all--as God is a Holy God and those are attributes unlike our own, selfish jealousy or anger issues.
God isn't surprised by what humans do. That would mean that our relationship is man-centered instead of God-centered and our faith is built around God, not the opposite.
Sadie asked: If the Bible were written by men and fabricated by men--does that mean Jesus did or didn't exist?
Not sure. I'm not convinced either way ATM.
Sadie asked: How do you explain that the religious movement is more responsible for aiding suffering in the world?
Religious organisations do indeed perform lots of charity work throughout the world. They also cause problems be preaching against condom use in high areas of AIDS in Africa which makes things worse. Also a lot of aid to countries comes through non-religious organisations too.
Sadie asked: Where does man's responsibility come into play for the world's troubles?
Lots of mans troubles are caused by other people. We are totally responsible for our own actions. We do terrible things to each other and probably have since before the beginning of history. Mans inhumanity to man is caused by man.
Sadie asked: But isn't it true that bad men are just that--bad men?
Yes, they are. But the point the narrator was trying to make is "Why does God *allow* bad things to happen to good people" - in the context of Him being all knowing, all powerful and all loving. Either He does not know these things are happening, He is powerless to stop them or He just doesn't care enough.
Sadie said: I've asked you this before in a previous post and you ignored or dodged the questions.
Sorry about that. I was concentrating my efforts on uberchap. I'll try not to ignore you in future.
Sadie said: I believe that those traits are not human in nature at all--as God is a Holy God and those are attributes unlike our own, selfish jealousy or anger issues.
So God's anger and jealousy are not the same as our anger & jealousy? How so? As far as I can remember He certainly acts angry and jealous in the Bible in a very understandable 'human' way...
Sadie said: God isn't surprised by what humans do.
Again, He certainly seems to portray surprise in the Bible stories. Usually when one of the characters have gone against His will.
sadie Lou said "I usually hear of Christians in the mission field ministering to the sick and suffering--not the atheist movement."
really? What dio you think Medicine sans Frontiers and The International Red Cross are then? Both massive international organisations, "ministering to the sick and suffering" without a single religious reference in thier reason d'etre! There are, of course, plenty of other examples, but I believe these are to of the largest humanitarian organisations on the planet. certainly larger than any individual religious mission!
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