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Thursday, March 13, 2008

Pupils 'to take allegiance oath'

From the BBC

Tuesday, 11 March 2008

School-leavers are to be encouraged to swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen under new government proposals being unveiled on British citizenship. Pupils would give a commitment to Queen and country in ceremonies akin to those for new immigrants. Former attorney general Lord Goldsmith, who conducted the citizenship review, said the aim was more social cohesion. Teaching unions said the plan was un-British, and the Scottish Government has also dismissed the idea.

John Dunford from the Association of School and College leaders said it was "a half-baked idea". A Scottish Government spokesman said it did not support the idea and did not believe it would find favour with parents or school pupils. Lord Goldsmith, who carried out the review at the request of Gordon Brown, believes that citizenship ceremonies for teenagers would help improve their sense of what it means to be a British citizen. He told BBC News: "The point is to find a raft of different ways that we can create a greater sense of shared belonging in this country, greater social cohesion, and for people to understand more clearly what it means to be a citizen of this country. What the rights are and what the responsibilities are as well. "I think a formal ceremony which marks that passage from being a student, who's learning about the theory, to a citizen, who now is practising the reality of being a citizen, I think that is a useful thing."

The peer has consulted people in the UK, Europe, North America and elsewhere to pull together a series of proposals aimed at providing a "much clearer vision of what it means to be a citizen". Citizenship ceremonies already exist for immigrants and the report suggests holding them in schools, where youngsters who are about to leave the school and move on to work or further education could participate. The plans have been condemned by the group Republic, which campaigns for the abolition of the monarchy. Spokesman Graham Smith told the BBC: "It's offensive to people who do actually cherish democracy and who actually cherish the sorts of liberties we've fought for for centuries." He said swearing an oath would be an attack on people's freedom of conscience. If children refuse to take part, he added, "are they then going to be told or taught that they are somehow less British or less loyal or less patriotic?"

Labour peer and human rights lawyer Baroness Helena Kennedy said the proposal was based on a misconception of what it meant to be proud of a country. She said: "The symbols of a healthy democracy are not to be found in empty gestures and I'm afraid I see this as an empty gesture." Other proposals are thought likely to include a revamp of Britain's old treason laws, such as sleeping with the wife of the heir to the throne, which is punishable by life in prison. Lord Goldsmith has also hinted at updating the national anthem by removing verses which are rarely performed.

[It would seem that even a Government well known for harebrained schemes can still surprise me and many other people. This is some brainwave I must admit - the importation of a foreign (indeed alien) concept into our schools. I fail to see how anyone within the Government can take this idea seriously – unless they are seriously out of touch with the people. Ah, I think I begin to see the light… As if any (or many) self respecting teenagers would put their hand on heart and swear allegiance to the Queen! Without years of education (or indoctrination) such a pledge on leaving school would be worse than meaningless. What arrant nonsense. Even 30 years ago when I left school I should think that few of my contemporaries who would do such a thing – and that was before the (many) royal scandals since those long gone days. It is both incredibly insulting to say nothing of patronising that people should be asked to pledge allegiance to what is an anachronistic hangover from a bygone age. What will this Government think of next? I honestly shudder to think!]

9 comments:

Juggling Mother said...

cubs and brownies etc still swear allegiance to the crown, as do the armed forces, and (I think) Judges. The police swear something or other, and I'm pretty sure Diana promised something about being faithful to the heir....

What people say doesn't seem to have much bearing on what they do, unless you are going to couple it with some major indoctrination, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

It's a "meh" policy. Good for soundbites and media pictures.

One wonders what the will do if school leavers refuse to swaer it? Cos teengers are well known for their compliance with authority:-)

Ajaz Haque said...

If you ask me, this is pathetic.

CyberKitten said...

JM said: cubs and brownies etc still swear allegiance to the crown..

I was a cub (many, many years ago) but I don't remember doing anything like that... Maybe I just can't remember that far back?

JM said: What people say doesn't seem to have much bearing on what they do, unless you are going to couple it with some major indoctrination, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

Indeed. If they started at, say 11, & chipped away at the cynicism you might get a few takers - but I can't really see it being 'cool' or anything.

JM said: Cos teengers are well known for their compliance with authority:-)

Definitely [laughs]. Funnily they're trialing ID cards on University students... The Government don't know much about Youth do they?

AH said: If you ask me, this is pathetic.

Pretty much. It's a *really* stupid idea.

MandysRoyalty said...

How much clearer of a vision of what it means to be a citizen do you need? This is in the KINGDOM of Britain. If the head of state is a monarch, then swear allegiance to the king or queen. You are a subject. We swear allegiance to our flag in the US, (an inanimate object no less!) and that is seen as perfectly proper. So why not swear an oath and have a loyal toast or two in honor of Her Maj?

It's not just about swearing an oath, though. What's important is that graduating teenagers know how to behave in a lawful manner and be a hard-working, respectful human being. They should learn how to try to avoid the self-entitlement syndrome that seems to be permeating youth these days (and I'm only 27!)

Scott said...

We swear allegiance to our flag in the US, (an inanimate object no less!) and that is seen as perfectly proper.

Not by everyone...

This is reason #3 I've learned this week why I never want to move to Britain. First I learned you have to buy a bloody permit to own a tele. Then I found out about this insane idea to ban fire extinguishers because they are a "fire risk," and now this Queen stuff.

Instead of taking oaths the kids should be reading Thomas Paine.

Thomas Fummo said...

the whole thing is just ridiculous.
the queen, just like the pope, is a figure that should not exist anymore.

and scott...
never mind britain... never move to Italy.
we have polititians here who would've been better off living in the dark ages.
let's all just move to Iceland.
that place is awesome.

CyberKitten said...

Mandy said: How much clearer of a vision of what it means to be a citizen do you need?

Lots actually! [laughs] As a free citizen in a democratic country the very last thing I would be doing is swearing an oath of allegiance to the Queen (or any one or any thing actually). I found the whole thing rather offensive.

Mandy said: You are a subject.

Erm... I'm actually a *citizen* - it even says so on my passport. I don't see myself as subject to very much at all - certainly not the Queen. Personally speaking I'm a Republican & think that we shouldn't have reinstated the Monarchy after Charles I was executed after the Civil War. It's a real shame that Cromwell couldn't find a decent successor.

Mandy said: So why not swear an oath and have a loyal toast or two in honor of Her Maj?

Probably because I'm a Republican & a Socialist/Anarchist (for want of a better term). I don't agree with the idea of Monarchy & I find that kind of social elitism sickening.

Mandy said: What's important is that graduating teenagers know how to behave in a lawful manner and be a hard-working, respectful human being.

I fail to see how speaking a few words will magically transform a teenager into that! They are much more likely to rebel against the whole idea. If I was a teenager my attitude would definitely be one of "Over my Dead body".

Scott said: Instead of taking oaths the kids should be reading Thomas Paine.

I'm not sure if kids study Paine in History class. It's been *many* years since I was in school [grin]. I do remember doing the Civil War though {regicide} as well as the Russian Revolution {regicide} and I think we may have done the French Revolution too {regicide} so that's a pretty good start.

There's a *lot* of British History surrounding the fight for what today would be called Human Rights & Universal Sufferage. That would be *such* a cool course to follow! Not sure if much would make it onto the National Curriculum though! The present Government (as you can tell from schemes such as this) are all for teaching Royal History rather than Real History.

MandysRoyalty said...

I just hope common sense prevails. Speaking of Paine!

CyberKitten said...

Mandy said: I just hope common sense prevails.

One can but hope.... and Welcome BTW.