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Saturday, March 24, 2007

Atheists say they've been threatened over their views

Dylan T. Lovan for Associated Press

Sat, Dec. 30, 2006

LOUISVILLE, Ky. - The note on Blair Scott's windshield wasn't a nice one. The anonymous writer had to have seen Scott's atheist-themed bumper sticker, an uncommon sight in the small south Alabama town where he lived at the time. "It just amazed me that people would take time out of their day to return to their car, grab a pen and paper and write a 'You're going to hell and you're going to burn in a lake of fire,' and stick it under my windshield," said Scott, a 36-year-old veteran who installs computer systems in prisons. Outspoken atheists like Scott remain a minority, but there are dozens of atheist chapters sprouting up around the country, and even many in Southern states dominated by conservative Christians. Many who consider themselves atheists said they're afraid to mention their views on religion or that they don't believe in deities. It's an especially unpopular opinion in the South, they said.

"Do I think that any of these people are really afraid if someone knows they're an atheist that they're going to get shot down on the street tomorrow? No. But the thought is always there in the back of your mind," said Joe Mays, Louisville computer technician who helped organize an atheist group that meets monthly. Atheism is generally considered a disbelief in god or other deities, but some self-described atheists said they feel it is better described as a conclusion one arrives at sometime in their life. "I don't really care for the word belief," said Edwin Kagan, a northern Kentucky lawyer who has defended atheist clients. "People say do I believe in evolution? It's not something to be believed in, it's something to be learned. Like the multiplication table. Do you believe in the multiplication table, or do you use it, do you learn it?"

Some estimates say as much as 15 percent of the population is atheist, though few call themselves by that title, said Jim Heldberg, national affiliation director for American Atheists in San Francisco. Heldberg said his group has 60 independent groups in many cities around the country. And there are many high-profile people who have expressed atheist views or a disbelief in God, including cyclist Lance Armstrong, golfer Annika Sorenstam and actresses Angelina Jolie and Jodie Foster. At a meeting of the Louisville atheist group earlier this year, several members spoke of a fear of retribution if they mentioned their views around family or at work. Most didn't want to be identified. The members - including a factory worker, a nurse, a real estate agent, an accountant and some who work in computers - considered putting up flyers in local bookstores to attract new members, but they scrapped the idea when one said they would likely be torn down.

"Nobody's your friend when you're an atheist," one member said. Another member, Christopher Helbert, wryly suggested that he would rather his parents know he was gay than an atheist, because they would say "gay is curable." A study at the University of Minnesota this year lends credence to the group's discussion. It found that Americans favor gays and lesbians, recent immigrants and Muslims over atheists in "sharing their vision of American society." Respondents also said they were least accepting of intermarriage with atheists than with any other group. "I think the key to this animosity is probably this idea that somehow morality and religion are deeply linked and if you lose any kind of religious doctrine, you inevitably lose some purchase upon morality," said Sam Harris, best-selling author of "Letter to a Christian Nation." Harris' book is a response to Christians who have criticized his writings on atheism. "People think unless you've found Jesus, you can't love your neighbor in any significant sense," he said. Some atheists have gone to court to challenge American institutions, most popularly the "Under God" portion of the Pledge of Allegiance, which was added in 1954.

In 2002, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the pledge is unconstitutional when recited in public schools, agreeing with a suit filed by atheist Michael Newdow of Sacramento, Calif. The Supreme Court in 2004 reversed that decision. Newdow has since revived the case and last year a federal judge ruled in his favor. Newdow said atheists cannot get elected to office and that elected officials consistently side with people of faith on many issues." Government sends the message that it's a bad thing to be an atheist," Newdow said in a phone interview. Scott said when he was living in Mobile, Ala., people were tipped off to his atheist views after he wrote an editorial to the local newspaper protesting a proposed bible class at a public school. He said he never mentioned that he was an atheist in the letter. Scott said after that, his car was bashed up by a baseball bat and a cross was planted in his yard. He has since moved to Huntsville and now heads a local atheist chapter in that town, which he said is much more tolerant because of the number of NASA scientists who live there.

"I think there's almost an unwillingness to come out of the closet for most atheists, especially in the Bible belt, because of the type of repercussions from people of faith," he said. "Some nasty stuff has happened to people, some really nasty stuff. And people are afraid of that."

[Why are atheists feared and mistrusted so much – especially in the US? Why does not believing in something seemingly strike terror in the believers of that faith? It’s just too bizarre to get my head around. Again I’m SO happy that I live in Europe. Phew! Much kudos to all you atheists on the other side of the Pond. My thoughts are with you all].

8 comments:

dbackdad said...

Why are atheists feared and mistrusted so much – especially in the US? Why does not believing in something seemingly strike terror in the believers of that faith? It’s just too bizarre to get my head around." -- You and me both, buddy.

Skywolf said...

Yeah... it's totally bizarre. And yet, when you delve into the realms of some truly fundamentalist teachings, some of it becomes a tiny bit easier to grasp on some levels. I grew up being taught that anyone who wasn't a Christian was on the side of Satan. The belief in Satan is a very powerful tool in fundamentalism - believing that everyone who doesn't believe what you do is a tool of Satan can lead to some pretty scary judgements and retributions of others. It is extremely twisted. But some of the brainwashing that goes on in these deeply religious areas can really mess with peoples' heads.

I just don't, and will never, understand how any supposed Christian can consider atrocious acts against another person acceptable considering the core teachings at the heart of their religion. Hypocrisy at its absolute worst.

CyberKitten said...

skywolf said: I just don't, and will never, understand how any supposed Christian can consider atrocious acts against another person acceptable considering the core teachings at the heart of their religion. Hypocrisy at its absolute worst.

Very true. I too have a hard time understanding how so much hate, fear and loathing can come from a religion that is based on love, peace and understanding.

Juggling Mother said...

Of course over here, most of the time I say i am an atheist, people trip over themselves to agree with me that they too, are rational unbelievers.

Then again, most of them quickly back track that actually there might be a "something" and perhaps they would be better described as spiritual or agnostic and please don't strike me down on the spot God:-)

But still, i'm glad we have it that way round rather than the other!

sirkolgate said...

You know... as a 'believer' I am rather terrified that there are people out there who would threaten anyone based on THEIR religious beliefs.

Most likely I share similar reasons for not going to church with most Atheists. People like this are rather UFO to me too and they often abound on holy ground.

*shakes head sadly* I often find myself wanting to tell people "If you're going to proclaim yourself an expert, at least read ***AND UNDERSTAND*** the handbook."

From my recollection of what I've read (something I DO consider myself good at) people who are filled with such hate and express it so vehemently are much more hell bound then anyone who is just minding their own business.

I don’t recall the Golden Rule being “Shoot First. Ask questions later.”

In defense of my belief system I’d only say that the Christians who react against anyone Atheist or otherwise in such a negative fashion may simply be products of the ‘times’. We don’t live in a world of quiet contemplation and friendly discussion. I’d say there are subjects to which many of us, especially if we consider ourselves experts on the topic, would react forcefully, and sometimes oppressively to.

I don’t see this as an excuse for such actions because according my lifestyle that behavior is bigoted and incomplete in thought and emotion. I’m just saying I see it a lot… and it goes all directions, quite equally.

CyberKitten said...

JM said: Of course over here, most of the time I say i am an atheist, people trip over themselves to agree with me that they too, are rational unbelievers.

That seems to be the UK experience doesn't it?

JM said: Then again, most of them quickly back track that actually there might be a "something" and perhaps they would be better described as spiritual or agnostic and please don't strike me down on the spot God.

[Laughs}. Yup I've had that happen to me too.

Welcome sirkolgate. Make yourself @ home.

sirkolgate said: I often find myself wanting to tell people "If you're going to proclaim yourself an expert, at least read ***AND UNDERSTAND*** the handbook."

It does appear to be the case that those who shout loudest are those who understand the least.

sirkolgate said: In defense of my belief system I’d only say that the Christians who react against anyone Atheist or otherwise in such a negative fashion may simply be products of the ‘times’.

That's not much of an excuse though is it?

sirkolgate said: I’m just saying I see it a lot… and it goes all directions, quite equally.

Again not really an excuse for that sort of behaviour - from anyone.

I hope you stick around for a while. I'll be interesting (and maybe fun too - if you like a bit of debating...)

sirkolgate said...

Thank you for the welcome CyberKitten. It is, after all, your blog and the Atheistic communinty represented herein with articulate articles and succinct points that drew me into blogger.

As a technophile, blogs have interested me since day one, but like most people I sometimes have a hard time allocating time for ‘new projects’. So I thank you.

In introduction and without a ‘fleshed’ blog of my own for you to traverse let me say I’m represented by the avatar of my toon on World of Warcraft, Kolgate, and hence the toothpastian screen name. I chose him since I delve into uncharted waters and his stoic visage does me justice.

But I don’t mean to hide behind him: www.myspace.com/sirkolgate

Given name of Mike, pleased to meet you. You’re already interesting, and I welcome the debate. Hopefully I will surprise you with an ability to listen that most of my contemporaries lack.

Now to answer your question “Is it an excuse?”

No.

No excuse… condemnation. Sorry I didn’t make that clear.

Yet, I do have an underlying point in my previous statement that I would enforce. None of us, from any facet of the global community, from any group, race, religion, or secular science can claim freedom from those types of individuals. We are all equally polluted and the larger, and older the society, the larger the population of miscreants.

Remember, most Atheists have chosen to be Atheists through self study and often against the flow of the culture around them. Most Christians are Christian because they simply allowed themselves to be swept into the ‘fold’ of family, friends and community.

I'd say that broad 'sweep' is too apt to get the wrong ‘element’ and that it is the sort of element who leers at you for a bumper sticker, and the one that I deny.

Hey… this is long. I’ll try to keep the meat of these types of comments more on fleshing out my blog and be more crisp in your comment threads.

Thanks. Sometimes you don’t realize what you have to say till someone points out to you why you need to say them.

CyberKitten said...

sirkolgate said: Sometimes you don’t realize what you have to say till someone points out to you why you need to say them.

Very true.

I shall look forward to any future debate with you.