There's a fairly popular bumper sticker around these parts that says "You can't be both Catholic and pro-choice!"
I just love the full range of persuasion / coercion / fear tactics / stiff-arming that mythology-people will resort to in order to control others. This poster is exactly like a Nazi propaganda flier.
True... she's 'Satan's Seed' most likely... (it's the hair... I don't trust girls with hair like that on principle)
=)
I think the poster is funny because it cautions against 'doubt and skepticism' from those groups.
Shit I get all the 'doubt' I want and or need from being alive and being human.
Got a best friend who is losing his sister to cancer. She fights like hell and she's as strong a Christian as she can be, and in the last email I got from her she expressed sadness because she's held so strong to her faith and just recently she discovered she had a new 'spot' and this caused her to 'question' her faith.
Typical philosophical question... "If God is all loving and all powerful then why does this happen to those who love him so wholeheartedly?"
Miracles exist... but I've yet to see one and I'm sure most of you out there are rather 'miracle' deficient.
Now, she's getting every major medical piece of care she can and she's not one of those 'faith' healers, so don't fear that she's being 'unreasonable'...
Faith is just that. It's why CK and I won't ever see Eye-To-Eye any time soon.
Thing is she and I will not turn from our faith because of this. We aren't turning a blind eye to all the 'logic' that stands before us... we see it, we know it is there, and in our times of utmost inner turmoil and fear it will be one more thing we struggle with.
However, we know God exists as assuredly as you know that a molecule of water is formed by two atoms of hydrogen and an atom of water.
To not know what I know is a deficiency in faith, not that this knowledge makes me deficient, deluded, or deranged. To reject the requirement for religion in your life is as simple and as complicated as the acceptance of one.
Do I just accept these glaring ‘errors in biblical logic’ that would allow this great person to die in such a terribly fighting way? No… I simply know that God doesn’t look at the ‘short’ term, He’s more of a ‘long’ term kinda guy, and as sad as it is to lose a dear person to cancer this is the world we live in, and these are rules “Adam and Eve” chose for us when they chose knowledge over innocence, Eden, and eternal life. To interrupt in all cases where someone asked for help would override ‘free will’.
Wunelle... You actually can't really be a Christian and be pro-choice. Not if you believe that the child has a 'soul' on conception and thusly it's a 'murder' if the fetus is destroyed.
That'd be like me claiming I was an Atheist but still believing in God. I'm not really one because I continue to do something that is in direct opposition of it.
As for the stiff-arming and controling us believers in Fantasy are doing my dear Wunelle... we're just trying to assert the fact that what people tend to like to do sometimes... could be wrong.
Whatever... I'll just get back to my Mythos...
Fact of the matter is... if I wasn't a Christian I'd still think abortion was wrong just based on the fact that women could cost the medical industry and insurance companies ALOT less if they just used birth-control methods that are widely available and very effective.
Regardless... what do I know I have Nazi sentiments/tactics and believe in Zeus.
wunelle said: I just love the full range of persuasion / coercion / fear tactics / stiff-arming that mythology-people will resort to in order to control others.
Most certainly *orgainsed* religion - of whatever flavour - is mainly about control (often through fear and intimidation). Basically 'church' is about power and often blatent naked power.
SK said: I think the poster is funny because it cautions against 'doubt and skepticism' from those groups. Shit I get all the 'doubt' I want and or need from being alive and being human.
Doubt is good. Skepticism is good too. Many of the religious people I debate with both on and off line do their very best not to entertain either. I have never met more certain people than in faith-based communities. They seem to regard doubt as either a sign of weakness or things even worse and when they actually *have* doubts they seem to need to shore up their defences ASAP so they can continue living behind their walls of certainty. It's just weird! But as you say - doubt is all about being human.
SK said: Miracles exist... but I've yet to see one and I'm sure most of you out there are rather 'miracle' deficient.
Never seen one - and everyone I've heard about turned out to be false.
SK said: Faith is just that. It's why CK and I won't ever see Eye-To-Eye any time soon.
Faith is something I just don't understand.
SK said: However, we know God exists as assuredly as you know that a molecule of water is formed by two atoms of hydrogen and an atom of water.
That's a whole different ball game. We *know* about H2O because it works in the lab. You *believe* that God exists. You might think you know God exists - but its still a belief its not *knowledge*... certainly not the way I understand the term.
SK said: To reject the requirement for religion in your life is as simple and as complicated as the acceptance of one.
I do wonder what makes some people believe & others not. Though its probably more on the complicated side than on the simple one!
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Awesome!
I Google Imaged the word 'atheist' and this is one of the things that came up.
I liked it so much I thought I'd share [grin].
There's a fairly popular bumper sticker around these parts that says "You can't be both Catholic and pro-choice!"
I just love the full range of persuasion / coercion / fear tactics / stiff-arming that mythology-people will resort to in order to control others. This poster is exactly like a Nazi propaganda flier.
(Well, they're both religions, after all.)
True... she's 'Satan's Seed' most likely... (it's the hair... I don't trust girls with hair like that on principle)
=)
I think the poster is funny because it cautions against 'doubt and skepticism' from those groups.
Shit I get all the 'doubt' I want and or need from being alive and being human.
Got a best friend who is losing his sister to cancer. She fights like hell and she's as strong a Christian as she can be, and in the last email I got from her she expressed sadness because she's held so strong to her faith and just recently she discovered she had a new 'spot' and this caused her to 'question' her faith.
Typical philosophical question... "If God is all loving and all powerful then why does this happen to those who love him so wholeheartedly?"
Miracles exist... but I've yet to see one and I'm sure most of you out there are rather 'miracle' deficient.
Now, she's getting every major medical piece of care she can and she's not one of those 'faith' healers, so don't fear that she's being 'unreasonable'...
Faith is just that. It's why CK and I won't ever see Eye-To-Eye any time soon.
Thing is she and I will not turn from our faith because of this. We aren't turning a blind eye to all the 'logic' that stands before us... we see it, we know it is there, and in our times of utmost inner turmoil and fear it will be one more thing we struggle with.
However, we know God exists as assuredly as you know that a molecule of water is formed by two atoms of hydrogen and an atom of water.
To not know what I know is a deficiency in faith, not that this knowledge makes me deficient, deluded, or deranged. To reject the requirement for religion in your life is as simple and as complicated as the acceptance of one.
Do I just accept these glaring ‘errors in biblical logic’ that would allow this great person to die in such a terribly fighting way? No… I simply know that God doesn’t look at the ‘short’ term, He’s more of a ‘long’ term kinda guy, and as sad as it is to lose a dear person to cancer this is the world we live in, and these are rules “Adam and Eve” chose for us when they chose knowledge over innocence, Eden, and eternal life. To interrupt in all cases where someone asked for help would override ‘free will’.
Wunelle... You actually can't really be a Christian and be pro-choice. Not if you believe that the child has a 'soul' on conception and thusly it's a 'murder' if the fetus is destroyed.
That'd be like me claiming I was an Atheist but still believing in God. I'm not really one because I continue to do something that is in direct opposition of it.
As for the stiff-arming and controling us believers in Fantasy are doing my dear Wunelle... we're just trying to assert the fact that what people tend to like to do sometimes... could be wrong.
Whatever... I'll just get back to my Mythos...
Fact of the matter is... if I wasn't a Christian I'd still think abortion was wrong just based on the fact that women could cost the medical industry and insurance companies ALOT less if they just used birth-control methods that are widely available and very effective.
Regardless... what do I know I have Nazi sentiments/tactics and believe in Zeus.
wunelle said: I just love the full range of persuasion / coercion / fear tactics / stiff-arming that mythology-people will resort to in order to control others.
Most certainly *orgainsed* religion - of whatever flavour - is mainly about control (often through fear and intimidation). Basically 'church' is about power and often blatent naked power.
SK said: I think the poster is funny because it cautions against 'doubt and skepticism' from those groups. Shit I get all the 'doubt' I want and or need from being alive and being human.
Doubt is good. Skepticism is good too. Many of the religious people I debate with both on and off line do their very best not to entertain either. I have never met more certain people than in faith-based communities. They seem to regard doubt as either a sign of weakness or things even worse and when they actually *have* doubts they seem to need to shore up their defences ASAP so they can continue living behind their walls of certainty. It's just weird! But as you say - doubt is all about being human.
SK said: Miracles exist... but I've yet to see one and I'm sure most of you out there are rather 'miracle' deficient.
Never seen one - and everyone I've heard about turned out to be false.
SK said: Faith is just that. It's why CK and I won't ever see Eye-To-Eye any time soon.
Faith is something I just don't understand.
SK said: However, we know God exists as assuredly as you know that a molecule of water is formed by two atoms of hydrogen and an atom of water.
That's a whole different ball game. We *know* about H2O because it works in the lab. You *believe* that God exists. You might think you know God exists - but its still a belief its not *knowledge*... certainly not the way I understand the term.
SK said: To reject the requirement for religion in your life is as simple and as complicated as the acceptance of one.
I do wonder what makes some people believe & others not. Though its probably more on the complicated side than on the simple one!
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