Ah, but treason is in the eye of the beholder. If Fawkes had succeeded in helping restore a Catholic monarchy, he might be regarded regarded as a patriot. When I see the abuse hurled at the southern rebels who failed in 1865 (these days they're regarded as cornpone nazis), I wonder what abuse we'd have for Washington and the rest had they failed. We'd probably believed they committed treason against their king so they could wipe out the indians, or something like that. History loves its narratives that amplify the prejudices of the present!
(One of my Catholic friends reposts the Remember, Remember line every year. I always wonder as to the 'why'....if its a little joke. She's from Tennessee, not England.)
@ Muspuddle: Governments should be afraid of their people.... [grin]
@ Stephen: "Treason does not prosper. For if it prospers, none dare care it Treason." I'm (of course) allowed to post such things - firstly I'm FROM here [grin] and I am, technically at least, a Catholic. There's a book on Catholic oppression in England coming up and how things began to change in the 1830's....
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i don't know about "treason"... sometimes government needs a gentle reminder...
Ah, but treason is in the eye of the beholder. If Fawkes had succeeded in helping restore a Catholic monarchy, he might be regarded regarded as a patriot. When I see the abuse hurled at the southern rebels who failed in 1865 (these days they're regarded as cornpone nazis), I wonder what abuse we'd have for Washington and the rest had they failed. We'd probably believed they committed treason against their king so they could wipe out the indians, or something like that. History loves its narratives that amplify the prejudices of the present!
(One of my Catholic friends reposts the Remember, Remember line every year. I always wonder as to the 'why'....if its a little joke. She's from Tennessee, not England.)
i was trying to think of an example... Liberia? there's most likely more than one in European history; i just can't remember it/them...
@ Muspuddle: Governments should be afraid of their people.... [grin]
@ Stephen: "Treason does not prosper. For if it prospers, none dare care it Treason." I'm (of course) allowed to post such things - firstly I'm FROM here [grin] and I am, technically at least, a Catholic. There's a book on Catholic oppression in England coming up and how things began to change in the 1830's....
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